I am going to give you a chance to educate yourself. Don't trust me to tell you that it is natural. I will tell you how to decide that for yourself. You have a computer. You can do web searches. You can find many interesting things online if only you knew where to look. So... look for this phrase:
brain scan + homosexual
You would find a few papers from a British study which did Positron Emission Tomography of the brains of "straight" and "gay" people. They found out that it is quite easy to explain. It is in the same general category as any other birth anomaly. Be aware that some religious sites have tried to co-opt this search. They are trying to hide the truth from those who do this search.
Homosexuality occurs when a pregnant woman has a bad hormonal imbalance during the time that the fetal brain starts to develop. You know that the external genitalia form because of the male's contribution of either an X or a Y chromosome to the 23rd pair. That is the "plumbing" of gender. But the brain is the most important sex organ in the body. When the brain says "Turn on" then you do. Your genitalia react to the brain, not the other way around. Well, the problem with the fetus whose brain formed under a hormonal imbalance during this critical period is that it takes on the wrong configuration. The study shows that despite the XX or XY chromosome pairing, the brain can form of the gender opposite the genitalia. If the "wiring" is different from the "plumbing" then you can assure that you have a problem.
THIS is why I know homosexuality is natural. We know the mechanism and it doesn't involve anyone making a conscious choice at any level. The mechanics are what they are. The cause is entirely the result of natural events. Therefore, YES homosexuality is normal.
See, this is the thing. Why is it that when some people discuss homosexuality, they automatically jump to the idea of "two men making love"? Homosexuality, at the crux of it, is attraction between two same-sex people. It doesn't dictate what actions they perform.
In that sense that homosexual attraction and behaviour occurs in nature, yes, it's natural. When it's hypothesised what aspect of nature is responsible for the prevalence of homosexuality, that's when it becomes complicated (e.g. whether it's intrinsic right from birth or not, whether it's genetic, neurological, etc.).
And finally, on to the subject of homosexual intercourse (which you seemed quite adamant to talk about); it's got nothing to do with the "mechanics" of it. The fact is, sexual pleasure can be achieved through anal sex (whether done between heterosexual or homosexual couples). Both males can be brought to orgasm by it; the anatomy of a human body actually makes this possible (due to the position of the prostate gland). So basically, it's not a question of "nature intending" anything (which is a pretty dodgy statement anyway); it's simple a case of it being easily achievable, and as I said earlier, the fact that it happens naturally all the time in the wild, as well as in human society.
It occurs throughout nature and was around long before Chrsitianity was ever thought of which is why it is mentioned in the bible!
Why are BAD Chrsitians so ignorant of simple facts?
Anglican leaders from around the world have clearly stated their opposition to the "victimisation or diminishment" of gays and lesbians, saying demonising and persecuting them was "totally against Christian charity and basic principles of pastoral care".
"We say that no one should have to live in fear because of the bigotry of others."
The mormons poured millions into forcing through prop 8 in CA: to ban gay marriage. In August 2010 the court held that to be unconstitutional. On 15 June 2011 the San Francisco court upheld that decision because it violates the constitutional rights of citizens. On 7 February 2012 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals struck the California law again finding that the California state constitution banning same-sex marriage violated principles of due process and equal protection under the law.
The court found that the ban violates equality laws to target a minority group and withdraw a right that it possessed, without a legitimate reason for doing so. Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California. The constitution simply does not allow for laws of this sort.
It is now awaiting the Supreme Court verdict which is expected to uphold the early court decision.
If that happens then gay marriage will become legal everywhere and that will be marriage and not civil partnership!
In the UK The intolerance, bigotry and homophobia from Chrsitians resulted in it being classed as a hate crime with severe sentences. It has led to the government framing legislation which if enacted will replace "Civil Partnership" with full marriage.
What I am convinced of is whatever nature 'intended' (nature doesn't think), homosexuality is not a choice. Whether nature made a mistake there or not seems irrelevant besides that fact. We don't do things based on what nature would have wanted- nature also intends for us to catch polio and die at the age of fifty.
I noticed you mention two men making love, when homosexuality also includes two women making love. So, I guess you have no problem with that?
As far as nature, yes. I believe nature made sex to be pleasurable. I believe most social animals love doing things with one another that is pleasurable, whether it actually is productive in the long run or not.
Considering most species that reproduce sexually also experience homosexuality, I'd say it is natural.
Nature is not a sentient being (as far as we can tell) so speaking about what nature "intended" is nothing more than personification. Sounds pretty in literature but is not an accurate representation of reality.
Natural refers to things that occur in nature via natural phenomenon. Being homosexual occurs in nature, in almost every species on the planet (including every single mammalian species), and appears to be a natural phenomenon (unless you believe homosexual dolphins are demon-possessed).
It is perfectly natural. Men actually have a g-spot. And I am a Christian who goes to a church that loves and affirms gay people. There is nothing wrong with being gay. It becomes a sin when your sleeping around. But if you are in a loving, committed relationship God will bless that. Quit being a bigot. Homophobia will keep you out of heaven, before a loving gay relationship will.
And with evolution being proven true and if we did evolve overtime... Well that must mean were animals right?? Mammals?? Well animals are gay, why can't there be gay people? And why can't they have the right to love whomever they want just like animals can.
You are talking about 2 different things, but as a fundie it is not surprising that you are confused.
What some one feels and what the mechanics are are 2 very different things, but since all you can understand is mechanics it is not surprising that you ask the question that you did.
nature didn't intend anything.It's not a sentient entity.
And I know it is natural (natural:happens in nature)
Even if you were to ignore all the thousands of species that do exhibit homosexuality, humans do show it and humans are a part of nature and hence, homosexuality is natural.
Maybe not how nature intended, but natural. We have proof and evidence. Why does it bother you? None of your business what two people do in the privacy of their home.
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Mechanics have nothing to do with it.
I am going to give you a chance to educate yourself. Don't trust me to tell you that it is natural. I will tell you how to decide that for yourself. You have a computer. You can do web searches. You can find many interesting things online if only you knew where to look. So... look for this phrase:
brain scan + homosexual
You would find a few papers from a British study which did Positron Emission Tomography of the brains of "straight" and "gay" people. They found out that it is quite easy to explain. It is in the same general category as any other birth anomaly. Be aware that some religious sites have tried to co-opt this search. They are trying to hide the truth from those who do this search.
Homosexuality occurs when a pregnant woman has a bad hormonal imbalance during the time that the fetal brain starts to develop. You know that the external genitalia form because of the male's contribution of either an X or a Y chromosome to the 23rd pair. That is the "plumbing" of gender. But the brain is the most important sex organ in the body. When the brain says "Turn on" then you do. Your genitalia react to the brain, not the other way around. Well, the problem with the fetus whose brain formed under a hormonal imbalance during this critical period is that it takes on the wrong configuration. The study shows that despite the XX or XY chromosome pairing, the brain can form of the gender opposite the genitalia. If the "wiring" is different from the "plumbing" then you can assure that you have a problem.
THIS is why I know homosexuality is natural. We know the mechanism and it doesn't involve anyone making a conscious choice at any level. The mechanics are what they are. The cause is entirely the result of natural events. Therefore, YES homosexuality is normal.
See, this is the thing. Why is it that when some people discuss homosexuality, they automatically jump to the idea of "two men making love"? Homosexuality, at the crux of it, is attraction between two same-sex people. It doesn't dictate what actions they perform.
In that sense that homosexual attraction and behaviour occurs in nature, yes, it's natural. When it's hypothesised what aspect of nature is responsible for the prevalence of homosexuality, that's when it becomes complicated (e.g. whether it's intrinsic right from birth or not, whether it's genetic, neurological, etc.).
And finally, on to the subject of homosexual intercourse (which you seemed quite adamant to talk about); it's got nothing to do with the "mechanics" of it. The fact is, sexual pleasure can be achieved through anal sex (whether done between heterosexual or homosexual couples). Both males can be brought to orgasm by it; the anatomy of a human body actually makes this possible (due to the position of the prostate gland). So basically, it's not a question of "nature intending" anything (which is a pretty dodgy statement anyway); it's simple a case of it being easily achievable, and as I said earlier, the fact that it happens naturally all the time in the wild, as well as in human society.
It occurs throughout nature and was around long before Chrsitianity was ever thought of which is why it is mentioned in the bible!
Why are BAD Chrsitians so ignorant of simple facts?
Anglican leaders from around the world have clearly stated their opposition to the "victimisation or diminishment" of gays and lesbians, saying demonising and persecuting them was "totally against Christian charity and basic principles of pastoral care".
"We say that no one should have to live in fear because of the bigotry of others."
The mormons poured millions into forcing through prop 8 in CA: to ban gay marriage. In August 2010 the court held that to be unconstitutional. On 15 June 2011 the San Francisco court upheld that decision because it violates the constitutional rights of citizens. On 7 February 2012 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals struck the California law again finding that the California state constitution banning same-sex marriage violated principles of due process and equal protection under the law.
The court found that the ban violates equality laws to target a minority group and withdraw a right that it possessed, without a legitimate reason for doing so. Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California. The constitution simply does not allow for laws of this sort.
It is now awaiting the Supreme Court verdict which is expected to uphold the early court decision.
If that happens then gay marriage will become legal everywhere and that will be marriage and not civil partnership!
In the UK The intolerance, bigotry and homophobia from Chrsitians resulted in it being classed as a hate crime with severe sentences. It has led to the government framing legislation which if enacted will replace "Civil Partnership" with full marriage.
The loving god works in mysterious ways.
What I am convinced of is whatever nature 'intended' (nature doesn't think), homosexuality is not a choice. Whether nature made a mistake there or not seems irrelevant besides that fact. We don't do things based on what nature would have wanted- nature also intends for us to catch polio and die at the age of fifty.
I noticed you mention two men making love, when homosexuality also includes two women making love. So, I guess you have no problem with that?
As far as nature, yes. I believe nature made sex to be pleasurable. I believe most social animals love doing things with one another that is pleasurable, whether it actually is productive in the long run or not.
Considering most species that reproduce sexually also experience homosexuality, I'd say it is natural.
Nature is not a sentient being (as far as we can tell) so speaking about what nature "intended" is nothing more than personification. Sounds pretty in literature but is not an accurate representation of reality.
Natural refers to things that occur in nature via natural phenomenon. Being homosexual occurs in nature, in almost every species on the planet (including every single mammalian species), and appears to be a natural phenomenon (unless you believe homosexual dolphins are demon-possessed).
So, yes, homosexuality is natural.
It is perfectly natural. Men actually have a g-spot. And I am a Christian who goes to a church that loves and affirms gay people. There is nothing wrong with being gay. It becomes a sin when your sleeping around. But if you are in a loving, committed relationship God will bless that.
Quit being a bigot. Homophobia will keep you out of heaven, before a loving gay relationship will.
And with evolution being proven true and if we did evolve overtime... Well that must mean were animals right?? Mammals?? Well animals are gay, why can't there be gay people? And why can't they have the right to love whomever they want just like animals can.
You are talking about 2 different things, but as a fundie it is not surprising that you are confused.
What some one feels and what the mechanics are are 2 very different things, but since all you can understand is mechanics it is not surprising that you ask the question that you did.
nature didn't intend anything.It's not a sentient entity.
And I know it is natural (natural:happens in nature)
Even if you were to ignore all the thousands of species that do exhibit homosexuality, humans do show it and humans are a part of nature and hence, homosexuality is natural.
Maybe not how nature intended, but natural. We have proof and evidence. Why does it bother you? None of your business what two people do in the privacy of their home.